M’dziko limene zikhulupiriro ndi timagulu tampatuko kaŵirikaŵiri zimadzetsa mikangano ndi chisokonezo, kumvetsetsa zovuta za zochitika zimenezi kumakhala kofunika kwambiri. The European Times anali ndi mwayi wosowa wokhala pansi ndi Peter Schulte, wasayansi wolemekezeka wa chikhalidwe cha anthu komanso wakale Weltanschauungsbeauftragter (zomwe ambiri adazitcha "mtsogoleri wampatuko / chipembedzo"), yemwe adafufuza mozama za maphunzirowa kwa zaka zoposa khumi. M’kufunsana kwapadera kumeneku, Schulte akugawana zokumana nazo zake zakuya, malingaliro ake, ndi kuwona kwake zimene zimaunikira dziko losamvetsetsedwa kaŵirikaŵiri la “mipatuko” ndi “mipatuko.”
Introduction
Ndi ntchito kuyambira 1998 mpaka 2010, udindo wa Schulte ngati woimira zikhulupiriro ndi magulu ampatuko adamuwonetsa kuti ali ndi malingaliro osiyanasiyana komanso nkhani zokopa za moyo. Mosiyana ndi zomwe anthu ankayembekezera, iye anapeza kuti zenizeni za nkhani zimenezi zinali zovuta kwambiri komanso zogwirizana ndi anthu kuposa mmene ankakhulupirira poyamba. Mukukambirana moona mtima, Schulte akufotokoza momwe kukumana kwake ndi anthu omwe akufuna thandizo nthawi zambiri kumabweretsa mavumbulutso odabwitsa, kupitilira chiwonetsero chapamwamba cha zomwe zimatchedwa "mipatuko."
Pamene zokambirana zikuyenda, Schulte amaganiziranso zomwe adakumana nazo Scientology, mutu womwe ukupitirizabe kukopa chidwi cha anthu. Kupyolera mu kufufuza mozama ndi kusanthula, amavumbulutsa zinthu za chikhalidwe cha anthu zomwe zimachititsa manyazi gulu lachipembedzoli, kutsutsa malingaliro omwe alipo komanso kudzutsa mafunso okhudza maganizo okhudza chikhalidwe cha anthu ndi makhalidwe abwino. Buku lake limayankha mafunso monga "Pa maziko omveka anali Scientology yalengeza kuti yawopseza anthu? Kodi zochititsa zimenezi zinali zotani? Ndi mabungwe ati, anthu kapena osewera ena omwe adakhudzidwa kwambiri? Njira zomwe adagwiritsa ntchito kupanga Scientology zikuwoneka zoopsa?"
Muzokambirana zotsegula maso izi, Schulte akupereka malingaliro atsopano pa "vuto lachipembedzo," kulimbikitsa njira yowonjezereka komanso yolunjika kuti amvetsetse chipembedzo chatsopano ndi uzimu. Iye akukhulupirira kuti boma, osati matchalitchi okha, ndi amene ayenera kutenga nawo mbali polimbikitsa anthu kuchita zinthu poyera komanso kulimbikitsa anthu kuti azitsatira mfundo zachipembedzo.
Lowani nafe pamene tikuyamba ulendo wodziwa komanso wowunikira ndi a Peter Schulte, ndikuwunika zovuta zobisika zomwe zili kumbuyo kwa zikhulupiriro ndi magulu ampatuko pakufunsidwa kwapadera komweku komwe kukubweretserani. The European Times.
The European Times: Munakhala bwanji “woimira zikhulupiriro ndi mipatuko” ( Weltanschauungsbeauftragter )?
Peter Schulte: Izo zinali kwenikweni zazing'ono. Ndidachita udokotala wanga ngati wasayansi mu 1998, ndakhala ndikugwira ntchito yofufuza kwakanthawi ndipo ndikungoyang'ana zovuta zatsopano. Mwamwayi ndinapeza chilengezo cha m’nyuzipepala: anthu anali kufunidwa kuti akhazikitse ndi kuyang’anira malo ofotokozera nkhani zachipembedzo ndi malingaliro. Wolemba ntchitoyo anali chigawo cha Tyrol. Ndinapempha ndipo analandiridwa popanda kudziwa zomwe ndiyenera kuyembekezera.
Munagwira ntchito kumeneko kwanthawi yayitali bwanji?
PS: Kuchokera ku 1998 mpaka 2010, mu dipatimenti ya chikhalidwe ndi ndale ya Ofesi ya Boma la Tyrolean. Ndinali ndi antchito awiri, ofesi yaikulu ndipo ndinali ndi udindo wopereka uphungu ndi chidziwitso cha "nkhani zamagulu".
Kodi munakumana ndi zotani panthawiyi?
PS: Ndinachita chidwi kudziwa kuti ndi anthu ati omwe amapita ku bungwe lotere lomwe ali ndi nkhawa. Chidziŵitso choyamba chimene ndinalandira chinali chochokera m’malo osiyanasiyana opereka uphungu a mpatuko ku Germany ndi Austria, kuchokera ku zoyesayesa za tchalitchi ndi boma komanso za makolo awo. Zizindikiro zinali zoonekeratu: kuopsa kwa zomwe amati ndi mipatuko n’kwambiri ndipo inenso ndikhoza kukhala munthu wochita nawo nkhondo yolimbana ndi zoipa padzikoli. Zida zofunika za izi, zomwe ndi timabuku tambiri tamitundu yonse, zidaperekedwa nthawi yomweyo.
Komabe, anthu amene anafika kwa ine mwachindunji kaamba ka malangizo sanali okondweretsedwa kwenikweni ndi mabuku. Iwo anali okondweretsedwa kwambiri ndi konkire, mavuto a tsiku ndi tsiku amene mwachiwonekere anali ndi chochita ndi otchedwa mipatuko. Poyang'anitsitsa, komabe, nthawi zambiri zinkawoneka kuti mavuto awo anali ovuta kwambiri komanso akutali komanso kuti vuto loyambitsa - mwachitsanzo, lotchedwa "mpatuko" - linali gawo limodzi lokha la machitidwe onse ogwirizana.
Izi zinali makamaka nkhani za moyo wapayekha pomwe kuyesa kudapangidwa kuti apange nkhani ya "chipembedzo". Anthu ena ofuna chithandizo anali mumkhalidwe wovuta kwambiri kotero kuti sanathenso kupereka uphungu.
Iwo ankakhulupirira ziphunzitso za chiwembu ndi maulamuliro achilendo amene akanawaletsa ndi kuwasokoneza pa zochita zawo. Zowonera izi zimanyalanyazidwa kotheratu muzochitika zauphungu, ngakhale m'malingaliro anga, zimapanga maziko ofunikira pazokambirana za momwe angathanirane ndi zomwe zimatchedwa timagulu.
Kodi mungatiuze chiyani za zomwe mwakumana nazo Scientology?
PS: Scientology imagwira ntchito kwa anthu ambiri ngati chithunzithunzi chakuchita bwino kwambiri. Zilibe ntchito konse kaya zonenezazo ziri zoona kapena zonama, chofunika n’chakuti zichirikize nthano zonena za magulu otchedwa mipatuko. Malo a uphungu amachita chilichonse kunyamula ndi kukonza chithunzichi. Zinandidabwitsa nditawerenga kuti m'malo ambiri opangira upangiri, Scientology ili pamwamba pa mndandanda wa zopempha. Sindinathe kuwunikiranso izi.
Pa nthawi yanga yotanganidwa, ndinkayembekezera mamembala a Scientology omwe anali kufunafuna chithandizo, kutsagana ndi uphungu pakutuluka kwawo. Koma palibe amene anabwera kwa ine, m’malo mwake anthu ochokera m’matchalitchi odziwika amene ankafuna kuchoka anadza kwa ine, makamaka akuluakulu akuluakulu amene sankagwirizana ndi akuluakulu a tchalitchi. Ndipo ngakhale kuti anali odzipereka kwambiri ku ubwino wa onse, anali odzaza ndi kudzikayikira ndi kudziimba mlandu.
Mpaka lero, nkhani yotseguka Scientology ikusowa, makamaka yankho la funso lachizoloŵezi la tanthauzo la chipembedzo chatsopano ndi uzimu m’dziko limene lasokonezeka. Ndikuwona vuto lina mu ntchito ya ofalitsa akale kufalitsa zidziwitso zodalirika komanso zowona. Komabe, pakubwera kwa malo ochezera a pa Intaneti ndi njira zatsopano zodziwitsira, nthawi zambiri amakakamizika kupanga chidwi kuti owerenga awo asasiye.
Nchiyani chinakupangitsani kusiya ntchitoyo patatha zaka 12?
PS: Ndinazindikira kuti sindikupita kulikonse. Boma la boma linali ndi ziyembekezo zomwe sindinkafuna kapena kuzikwaniritsa. Malingana ngati mukufalitsa "ngozi yamagulu" ndipo motero mumatchula dzina lake, ndinu gawo la anthu omwe sadziwa kudzikayikira. Aliyense ayenera kuganiza mofanana ndipo amene satero akuopsezedwa kuti adzachotsedwa ndi kuthamangitsidwa kosatha. Ndi chikhalidwe cha gawo lalikulu la zochitika za uphungu zomwe zimanyalanyaza maganizo ndi zochitika zosiyana, ngakhale kuti zimaloza vuto lomweli mu "mipatuko".
Munalemba buku nthawi ina pambuyo pake.
PS: Inde, ndinkafuna kuti zimene ndaona ndiponso zokumana nazo zanga zipezeke kwa anthu achidwi, kubweretsa chisonkhezero chatsopano m’kukambitsiranako, titero kunena kwake. Chotsatira chake chinali kusanthula kotchuka kwasayansi komwe kumayang'ana mutuwo pamiyeso yosiyana.
Buku lanu latsopano laperekedwa kwathunthu kumutu wa Scientology. Chifukwa chiyani?
PS: Ndinkafuna kudziwa kuti mkanganowu unabwera bwanji, chifukwa chiyani Scientology ikuyang'aniridwa ndi Ofesi yaku Germany yoteteza malamulo oyendetsera dziko lino ndi zinthu ziti zomwe zimakhudza chikhalidwe cha anthu Scientology. Kuti ndichite izi, ndinafufuza mozama kwa zaka zambiri, ndikugwira ntchito kudzera m'makalata ndikufunsa mafunso. Kuwunika kwamafayilo a Boma la Federal Government ku Germany kokha kukuwonetsa kuonda kwa deta komanso kuti Scientology wakhala akuyang'aniridwa ndi Ofesi Yoteteza Malamulo Oyendetsera Dziko kuyambira 1997 popanda chifukwa chilichonse.
Scientology ndi chinthu chochititsa chidwi chifukwa tikhoza kuona zochitika za chikhalidwe cha anthu za kusalidwa ndi kusalana m'mene anthu amachitira ndi New Religious Movement. Kukambitsiranaku sikukunena zenizeni kapena chowonadi, koma kukhudza kagwiridwe kabwino ndi kakhalidwe. Gulu lachipembedzo lomwe limatsutsa zakale zamatenda amisala ndi njira zake, nthawi zambiri, silinakhalepo ku Germany. Panthawi imodzimodziyo, ndinatha kuona kuti magulu ena achidwi akugwira ntchito mwakhama kuti awonetsere anthu omwe amawasiya ngati oimira gulu lonse, ndi cholinga chofalitsa maganizo oipa a anthu. Scientology pagulu. Nthaŵi zina ndinkaona ngati zimenezi n’cholinga chofuna kusokoneza maganizo a m’matchalitchi ovomerezeka.
Kodi buku lanu lidachita chiyani?
PS: Ndinkayembekezera zambiri: kukwiyira makhalidwe abwino, mikangano yambiri, zokambirana zambiri. Ngakhale kuti mabuku masauzande angapo akufalitsidwa, zikuwoneka kwa ine kuti bukuli silinatchulidwe. Ngakhale anzanga akale omwe anali mlangizi sanachitepo kanthu ndi buku langa, komanso Ofesi Yoteteza Malamulo ku Germany sanachitepo kanthu. M'malo mwake, ndinatha kuwerenga ndemanga zingapo pa Amazon. Komabe, sindinawukidwe monga wowononga zisa kapena wosagwirizana ndi sayansi.
Pakali pano, bukuli likumasuliridwa m’Chingelezi ndipo lifalitsidwa posachedwapa.
M’mbuyo: Kodi mumaliona motani “vuto lachipembedzo” mwachisawawa?
PS: Kukambitsirana ndikokokomeza kotheratu, ndipo palibe chomwe chikufunsidwa. Dera la zomwe zimatchedwa mipatuko zimangokhudza mbali zina za anthu athu, ndipo nthawi zambiri zimakhala zamtengo wapatali kapena, mwachidule, za funso la zomwe zimaloledwa ndi zomwe siziloledwa. Pali magulu achidwi omwe ali ndi vuto lachipembedzo chatsopano ndi uzimu, anthu omwe amakhulupirira kuti ndizovulaza anthu. Chifukwa chiyani anthu amatembenukira kuzinthu zatsopano zauzimu, zomwe akuyang'ana kapena kupeza kumeneko, kapena kuti anthu amangomva kuti amasamalidwa bwino m'magulu oterowo, zomwe ziribe ntchito kwa magulu awa.
Sitiyenera kusiya nkhaniyi kumatchalitchi okha - monga momwe zakhalira kale - chifukwa boma liyenera kukhala ndi ntchito yowonetsetsa kuti nkhani zachipembedzo zikhale zowonekera kapena kutsimikizira kuti chidziwitso chikuyenda bwino. Mwanjira imeneyi, nzikayo ikhoza kupanga lingaliro lolunjika.
FECRIS ndi bungwe lapadziko lonse lapansi lomwe limabweretsa pamodzi magulu osiyanasiyana odana ndi mipatuko. Kodi munakumanapo ndi izi?
PS: Ku Austria, palinso bungwe lomwe limathandizira ndikulimbikitsa FECRIS. Mamembala ake ndi whippersnappers omwe amatsutsa mtundu uliwonse wachipembedzo chatsopano ndi uzimu. Amafalitsa nthanthi zachilendo za “mipatuko” ndi “njira” zawo. Nthaŵi zonse ndinali ndi lingaliro lakuti iwo anali kuyesa kuimba mlandu mikangano ya m’banja pa “mipatuko”.
Mukuchita chiyani lero?
PS: Ndine wodzipangira bizinesi pazaumoyo. Pano ndikuyenera kulankhulana kwambiri pamlingo wamaso, zomwe makasitomala anga komanso ndimayamikira kwambiri. Ndimasangalalabe ndi mutuwo ndipo nthaŵi zina ndimaitanidwabe kuti ndifotokoze maganizo anga pa nkhani ya magulu achipembedzo.
Zambiri za Peter Schulte:
Peter Schulte ndi wasayansi wodziwika bwino wa chikhalidwe cha anthu yemwe amadziwika chifukwa chanzeru zomwe amapereka pazachikhalidwe cha anthu ndi malingaliro. Anatumikira monga "woimira" boma pa malingaliro ndi magulu kwa zaka khumi ndi ziwiri, kupeza chidziwitso chapadera pa zovuta zachipembedzo ndi malingaliro. Kafukufuku wa Schulte anatsutsa malingaliro omwe analipo, kulimbikitsa kumvetsetsa kowonjezereka kwa magulu atsopano achipembedzo. Masiku ano, iye ndi wochita bizinesi yodzipangira yekha pazaumoyo, akupitiriza kugawana nzeru ndi luso lake. Chilakolako cha Schulte pakuwulula khalidwe laumunthu ndi kulimbikitsa zokambirana zodziwitsidwa zasiya chiyambukiro chokhalitsa padziko lapansi la sayansi ya chikhalidwe cha anthu.
