Magalimoto osachepera 200 amafunikira tsiku lililonse ndipo ngakhale ayesetsa "kuchita bwino" abwenzi akumayiko ndi akunja, opereka chithandizo ku UN akukakamira kuti abweretse zinthu zonse podutsa malire akum'mwera kwa Gaza ndi Egypt, omangidwa ngati njira yodutsa anthu oyenda pansi, adatero. Jamie McGoldrick.
Wothandizira wakale wakale wa UN adalankhula ndi UN News Loweruka, m'mafunso ake oyamba kuyambira pomwe adakhala Wogwirizira Wanthawi yayitali ku Palestine Occupied Territory kumapeto kwa mwezi watha.
Mzika yaku Ireland idagwiranso ntchito yomweyi, pomwe ndi Wachiwiri kwa Wogwirizanitsa Wapadera wa UN pa Middle East Peace Process, pakati pa 2018 ndi 2020.
Izi zisanachitike, anali Mtsogoleri wa UN Humanitarian and Resident Coordinator ku Yemen panthawi ya nkhondo yankhanza yapachiweniweni yomwe inayamba mu 2015. Iye wagwiranso ntchito ndi International Red Cross.
Bambo McGoldrick posachedwapa anabwerera kuchokera ku Gaza, ndipo adalankhula ndi Ezzat El-Ferri kuchokera ku Yerusalemu, kumene ofesi ya UN Special Coordinator (UNSCO) ili ndi maofesi, ndi maofesi ena mumzinda wa Ramallah wa West Bank ndi Gaza Strip.
Zoyankhulana zidasinthidwa kuti zikhale zazitali komanso zomveka bwino:
UN News: Mwangobwera kumene kuchokera ku Gaza, ndipo mudakhalapo kale. Mwafotokoza mmene zinthu zinalili kumeneko ngati zomvetsa chisoni m’zaka zapitazo. Kodi munayamba mwachita chiyani mutangolowa ku Gaza pankhondoyi?
Jamie McGoldrick: Chabwino, mwachiwonekere, zinthu zasintha kwambiri kuyambira pomwe ndinali komweko komaliza. Chomwe chimakukhudzani kwambiri ndi manambala. Mukangofika ku Rafah, chomwe chimakukhudzani nthawi yomweyo ndi kuchuluka kwa anthu omwe athawa kwawo: msewu uliwonse, msewu uliwonse.
Amakhalanso ndi mahema osakhalitsa awa omangidwa m'mphepete mwa nyumba zomwe zikudutsa m'misewu. Ndizovuta kwambiri kuyendayenda. Malowa ndi odzazadi.
Chinthu chachiwiri chimene ndikuganiza ndichoti chikhalidwe chodzaza ichi chimayambitsa kusowa kwa ntchito zomwe anthu ali nazo. Chifukwa izi zachitika mofulumira kwambiri, chiwerengero cha anthu amene akubwera kumwera (Gaza). Amawerengera anthu 1.7 kapena 1.8 miliyoni ku Rafah, komwe kudali ndi anthu pafupifupi 250,000.
Anthu atenga malo mzipatala, atenga malo mkati UNRWA masukulu…ndipo inu mumapita ku malo awa, ndipo inu mumawona zikhalidwe zomwe anthu akukhalamo, kunyozeka, chikhalidwe chochulukana, chikhalidwe chotsalira cha izo.
Palibe amene anali ndi nthawi yokonzekera kalikonse. Anthu anathawa kumene anachokera: dera lapakati, la kumpoto, ndipo anabwera ndi zochepa kwambiri. Ayenera kuyesa kudziikira okha malo m'malo ovuta kwambiri, achisokonezo. Komanso kuti ndi dzinja kumeneko. Choncho, zonsezi zimapangitsa kuti zikhale zovuta kwambiri.
Zatifooketsa chifukwa tili ndi gawo lochepa kwambiri kumeneko la mtundu uwu wa ntchito, ndipo tinayenera kuyesa ndi kukulitsa, kuyesera kuthana ndi zosowa. Ndipo ngakhale pamene ndinali kumeneko masiku asanu ndi atatu apitawo - ndinabwerako masiku awiri apitawo - kusiyana kwa nthawi imeneyo kunali kuti makamu akubwerabe ...Kusimidwa kukukulirakulira, kuzunzika kwa anthu kukukulirakulira.
Anthu akukuwa pofuna chakudya mu mzinda wa Rafah kum'mwera kwa Gaza Strip
Koma chofunikira kwambiri tifunika kuchita zambiri kuti tiwonjezere, kuti tipeze anthu ambiri, tipeze mwayi wochulukirapo, kubweretsa zinthu zambiri. Koma ndi ntchito yaikulu kwambiri.
UN News: Ndikukhulupirira kuti mudakumananso ndi anzanu omwe analipo pomwe mudali nawo kale. Ndi zokumana nazo ziti zomwe adagawana nanu?
Jamie McGoldrick: Choyamba ndi cha chikhalidwe cha anthu: anthu amakuuzani zomwe asiya. Ena amakuuzani kuti asiya nyumba zawo zomwe zawonongeka, ndipo ena amakuuzani za achibale omwe anamwalira. Mukudziwa, moyo umene anali nawo kale wapita ndipo mwina wapita kwa nthawi yaitali chonchi.
Pali mlingo wa kugwedezeka ndi mlingo wa kukhumudwa. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti palinso kusowa chiyembekezo komweko, chifukwa sawona mayankho azomwe amakumana nazo m'tsogolo. Ndizodabwitsanso kuti pali kulimba mtima komanso kukhazikika kwa ena mwa ogwira nawo ntchitowa omwe akhala m'menemo, omwe abwera kum'mwera akuthawa ngati anthu othawa kwawo, koma akuimirira kuti agwire ntchito.
Ndizodabwitsa kuti anthu aku Gaza ali ndi mzimu umenewo ... ndipo akupitirizabe. Zoona kuti pali anzawo 146 a UN aphedwa. Ena ataya ziwalo za mabanja, komabe amasamalirabe.
Sizili ngati kuti mukuthaŵira kuchitetezo, chifukwa kumene muli pakali pano kuli kosatetezeka. Kumene muli pano kukuchulukirachulukira ndikupanikiza. Ndipo siziri ngati kuti mwafika kwinakwake ngati munthu wosamutsidwa ndipo ndi momwemo. Pali zina zikubwera…
UN News: Monga momwe mwanenera, opereka chithandizo ku UN akhala akukweza mawu awo pazovuta zotha kupeza thandizo ku Gaza pamlingo waukulu. Padziko lapansi, izi zikutanthauza chiyani kwa anthu? Kodi zosoŵa zawo zikukwaniritsidwa bwanji panopa?
Jamie McGoldrick: Izi zisanachitike, zomwe mudali nazo zinali magalimoto pafupifupi 500 patsiku akubwera ngati zoyendera. Ndipo UN inatumikira awo amene anali atsoka, osakhoza kugula zinthu zimenezo mwamalonda. Ife, opereka chithandizo, tifunika kukhala ndi magalimoto pafupifupi 200 patsiku. Ndipo zonsezi zidakhudza kuchuluka kwa anthu - zothandiza anthu komanso zamalonda [zamalonda].
Zomwe muli nazo tsopano ndikuti malonda [gawo] asiya. Chifukwa chake, anthu omwe anali kutumikiridwa ndi gawo lazamalonda tsopano akufinya zomwe zili mu gawo lothandizira anthu ndi aliyense amene akusowa. Zomwe tili nazo ndi momwe zimakhalira Mfundo zazikuluzikulu kwa ife ndi malo abwino okhala, chakudya chochuluka, madzi abwino, zimbudzi, zimbudzi ndi zosowa zaumoyo.
Chitetezo chimakhudza mbali zonse
Panthawi imodzimodziyo, pali zambiri zokhudzana ndi chitetezo: nkhanza za amuna ndi akazi, nkhani zoteteza ana chifukwa pali ana ambiri osayenda nawo.
Komanso, tifunika kwa ife tokha, monga othandizira anthu, kuthekera kochita ntchitoyi. Zimenezi zikutanthauza kuti ifenso tidzatetezedwa. Zomwe zikutanthauza kukhala ndi machitidwe abwino oyankhulana, kukhala ndi luso loyendayenda. Ndipo kusagwirizana malinga ndi kayendetsedwe kathu kothandiza anthu [kotero] amatetezedwa.
Ndipo mwatsoka, sizinali choncho. Pali zochitika zingapo. Tikuyesera kubweretsa magalimoto ambiri. Dzulo, tinali ndi magalimoto okwana 200, ambiri omwe tinadutsapo kupita ku Rafah. Palibe chomwe chimabwera kuchokera kumpoto. Zonse zikubwera kuchokera kumwera. Tikuyesera kupulumutsa anthu, koma tikudziwa kuti alipo mwina anthu onse a 2.2 miliyoni amafunikira thandizo lamtundu wina.
Ndipo ife tiri pakali pano kukumana ndi kulimbana kokwera kuti tingokwaniritsa zosowa za omwe timawafikira. Tifunika kukafika kutali kwambiri, kukuya komanso kutali kwambiri kumadera ena monga kumpoto. Koma pali mikangano yomwe ikupitilira ndipo ntchito zankhondo zimatilepheretsa kusuntha m'malo ena apakati. Choncho, timakhala ngati timakakamira pomwe tili, ndipo ndizovuta kwambiri kusuntha ma convoys, maulendo opita kumpoto kukatumikira anthu 250,000 - 300,000 omwe akuyerekezedwa kumeneko.
Ana awiri akukhala m'mabwinja a nyumba yomwe yatsala mumzinda wa Rafah, kum'mwera kwa Gaza Strip.
Tilibe kuthekera kochita izi mwachangu. Pali njira imodzi yokha. Ndi msewu wa m'mphepete mwa nyanja, chifukwa msewu waukulu womwe uli pakati uli pansi pa ntchito zankhondo panthawiyi. Kotero, tikukankhira zoyesayesa zathu zonse kumpoto pamene tikuyesera kupulumutsa kumwera. Tiyenera kukwera ndipo zinthu zamalonda ziyenera kuyambiranso.
Tiyeneranso kupeza thandizo lochulukirapo kuchokera kwa opereka thandizo omwe akhala okonzeka kutilola kugula magalimoto ambiri, kubwereka magalimoto ambiri, kuti tibweretse thandizo. Koma ndizovuta zomwe tikukumana nazo. Ndipo magawo anayi omwe ndangokuuzani kumene ndi kumene kupulumutsa moyo kudzachitika.
UN News: Tamva akuluakulu angapo a UN akunena kuti tikufuna kutumiza zamalonda kuti tiyambe kubwerera ku Gaza. Koma ngati chuma chikusokonekera ndipo ntchito zankhondo zikuchitika, kodi anthu angapitirire bwanji zamalonda ndikupitilizabe moyo wawo, chuma chabwinobwino?
Jamie McGoldrick: Zomwe tikufuna kuchita pamapeto pake ndikuti, ngati bizinesi iyambiranso, titha kuyambanso kupereka masitolo omwe atsekedwa chifukwa mulibe chilichonse. Zogulitsa zonse zapita. Tiyenera kudzazanso masheyawo.
Ndipo tikakhala ndi izi mpaka pamlingo wina, titha kuyamba kugwiritsa ntchito makhadi, makina opangira ndalama.
‘Kulimbana kwautali, kwautali’ kungoti chithandizo chipitirire
Koma ife tiri kutali ndi izo pakali pano. Tili ndi vuto lalitali, lalitali longosunga chithandizo cha anthu, makamaka chakudya ndi mankhwala mmenemo.
Chifukwa ngati sitichita izi, zinthu izi, zinthu izi zidzakhala zambiri pamsika wakuda, ndi tidayamba kuwona kuzunza uku kukuchitika. Taziwona kale izo zikuchitika.
UN News: Akuluakulu ena aku Israeli anena kuti chinthu chokhacho chomwe chikulepheretsa kulowa kwa thandizo ku Gaza ndi malire a UN. Kodi mungawayankhe bwanji?
Ndi malo ovuta chifukwa takhala tikutha kupereka chithandizo chochepa komanso Boma la Rafah, kumene theka la anthu tsopano likuyerekeza, ndipo ena onse a Gaza Strip, adayimitsidwa makamaka chifukwa cha kuopsa kwa nkhondo. ndi zoletsa pamayendedwe athu: takhala nazo zisanu zokha mwa 24 zokonzekera za chakudya ndi mankhwala zaloledwa kupita kumpoto, Mwachitsanzo.
Kudalira 'pa malo amodzi'
Tikuyesera kuwonjezera ntchito zathu. Ntchito zathu zalephereka chifukwa choumiriza boma la Israeli kuti ligwiritse ntchito njira yodutsa anthu oyenda pansi ku Rafah kubweretsa katundu wonyamula katundu.. Ndipo ngakhale ikugwira ntchito bwino, sitingathe kudalira Gaza yonse - anthu 2.2 miliyoni - pamtunda umodzi wodutsa. Tiyenera kutsegula kwina.
Ma convoys othandizira akulowa mu Gaza Strip kudutsa malire a Rafah. (fayilo)
Ntchito zothandizira anthu zimasungidwa pakupezeka kwamafuta ochepa kwambiri. Iyi ndi njira yopulumutsira ntchito za zipatala kuti mpweya wa oxygen ukhale wokwanira, kuti mbali zosiyanasiyana za zipatala zenizeni zigwire ntchito, zomera zowonongeka kuti madzi akumwa azipita kumeneko.
Ntchito yothandiza anthu yomwe ikupitilira, ndiyenera kunena, ndiyabwino kwambiri. Ntchito yomwe yachitidwa ndi anzathu adziko kumeneko, mothandizidwa ndi mayiko.
Kotero, ife tikulimbana kwenikweni. Sindikuganiza kuti ndichifukwa choti tikutsutsa kulowamo, kapena [kuti] sitikuchita zovuta zathu.
Tili pa 100% kuphatikiza, koma pali zoletsa pamenepo…Ziyenera kutero kuti tithe kubweretsa zomwe tikufuna komanso malo ochulukirachulukira omwe kuli anthu - osati ayi. kutumikira 2.2 miliyoni kudzera khomo limodzi - ndipo ndichinthu chomwe chiyenera kusintha.
UN News: Ndi momwe zilili ku Gaza pakali pano, nthawi zina West Bank imatha kugwa pa radar. Kodi muli ndi zosintha pazochitika kumeneko?
Jamie McGoldrick: Ndikuganiza kuti tonse tikuwona momwe zinthu zilili ku West Bank. Pakhala pali ma flashpoints ku West Bank kuyambira kumayambiriro kwa chaka chatha ndipo kuyambira 7 October, nkhani yomvetsa chisoni, ndikuganiza kuti ikufulumira. Ndipo tawona anthu opitilira 300 aku Palestine aphedwa ndipo ana 80 aphedwa.
Tawonapo kuchokera OCHA ndipo lipotilo lachitika kuti pali kuwonjezeka mwachiwonekere kwa ziwawa za kukhazikika kwa anthu aku Palestine. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ndichinthu chomwe timachiwona ngati chizoloŵezi chokhazikika. Panali pafupifupi zilolezo 200,000 zogwirira ntchito ku Israel koma tsopano zayimitsidwa…
Palibe kusamutsa ndalama kuchokera ku Israeli
Ndipo pali antchito onse a boma omwe analipo ndipo tsopano akupeza malipiro ochepa chifukwa boma lenileni la Palestine likuvutika, chifukwa kusamutsidwa kwa ndalama kuchokera ku Israeli sikunachitike kwa nthawi ndithu.
Gulu lothandizira anthu, madera ambiri, ali mkati, gawo la West Bank ... Tikuyesera kuthana ndi mavuto omwe amabwera. Ndizovuta kwambiri kusunga zinthu ziwirizi nthawi imodzi, ndende ku Gaza koma osayesa kuiwala kukula kwa vuto lomwe likuchitika, zomwe zikuchitika ku West Bank.
UN News: Zaka 57 tsopano akugwira ntchito, nkhaniyi yadutsa zaka 75. Anthu ayambadi kutaya chiyembekezo pankhani ya mtendere. Ndiye, nchiyani chingachitidwe kuti abwezeretse chiyembekezo chimenecho ndikutsitsimutsanso ofesi ya Wogwirizanitsa Wapadera [for the Middle East Peace Process], kuti akwaniritse kuthetsa?
Ofesi ya Special Coordinator idakali yodzaza ndikuyesera kuthana ndi zovuta zonsezi zomwe zimagwirizana, zomwe ndi zothandiza anthu zomwe zimagwirizana ndi zovuta za utsogoleri, kotero ndizomwe ziyenera kuchitika.
Kupsyinjika kwina kofunika kuti amasule ogwidwa
Koma ndikuganiza nthawi yomweyo, tiyenera kukankhira mwamphamvu ndi kulimbikitsa zokambirana za kumasulidwa kwachangu, kopanda malire kwa ogwidwa ndi Hamas.. Izo ziyenera kuchitika.
Tiyenera kuwonjezera thandizo kupita ku Gaza, poganizira za chitetezo cha mkati mwa Israeli, ndipo tiyenera kuonjezera kuwoloka kwa anthu kuti tilole thandizo ku Gaza, monga Kerem Shalom kuwonjezera pa Rafah. Koma tiyeneranso kuyang'ana malo odutsa kumpoto.
Jamie McGoldrick - Wogwirizira Wanthawi Yanthawi ndi Wothandizira Anthu ku Palestine Territory omwe akukumana ndi Oimira Palestinian Red Crescent ku Rafah, Southern Gaza
Tiyenera kubwezeretsa ntchito zofunika izi, zachipatala, zothandiza anthu, zomwe zakhudzidwa ndi mkanganowu ndikuyamba kumanga zatsopano kuti tiyambenso ntchito zopulumutsa moyo.
Ndipo tiyenera kulola odwala ambiri ovulala ndi anthu amenewo kuti alandire chithandizo kunja kwa Gaza, chifukwa Gaza ilibe ntchito zonse zofunika kwa anthu omwe agwidwa ndi vutoli. Tiyenera kulola mautumiki ochulukirachulukira kumadera amenewo.
'Nthawi ina, tiyenera kubwereranso ku njira yamtendere'
Ndikuganiza kuti njira yamtendere sitingamvetsetse kapena kuganiziridwa panthawiyi. Tatsala pang'ono kutha masiku ankhondo a 100 - zidzatha bwanji ndipo ngati zichitika, maphwando, magawo osiyanasiyana a zipani za Palestine angabwere palimodzi, ndipo a Palestine ndi Israeli atha bwanji kukambirana. tebulo, poganizira kuya kwa zomwe zinachitika mu nthawi imeneyo?
Kotero, ine ndikuganiza izo pali machiritso ambiri oti adutse ndipo pali zambiri zomwe muyenera kuziganizira, kumvetsetsa zambiri zomwe zikutanthauza. Koma nthawi ina, tiyenera kubwereranso ku njira yamtendere imeneyo, njira ina yopezera kumvetsetsa momwe anthu azikhalira limodzi.
UN News: Limenelo likhala funso langa lomaliza kwa inu. Zingatheke bwanji kuti pambuyo pa zonsezi, maphwando angakhalenso pansi patebulo? Kodi tingafotokoze bwanji izi kwa munthu wamba amene sadziwa?
Jamie McGoldrick: Ndikuganiza kuti mtendere ndi wabwinobwino kuposa nkhondo. Ndikuganiza kuti ndicho chofunikira ndipo ndikuganiza kuti anthu onse amafuna kukhala mwamtendere komanso kukhala ndi moyo. Amafuna kukhala ndi tsogolo. Amafuna maloto awo, amafuna kudziwa zomwe zikubwera. Amafuna kuti azitha kuyanjana ndi kukhala ndi mabanja, ndipo simungakhale nazo ngati muli ndi mkangano uwu ndipo muli ndi kusatetezeka uku, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ziyenera kutha.
Kumvetsetsa, kuyamikira, malo ogona
ndipo ndiye inu mukhoza kuyamba ndondomeko yokonza, ndondomeko ya machiritso. Muyenera kudziganizira nokha, mumalumikizana bwanji ndi mnansi wanu? Kodi mumagwirizana bwanji ndi anthu omwe mukuyenera kukhala nawo limodzi? Ndipo ndiko kumvetsetsa ndi kuyamikira, malo ogona.
Ndipo tikuziwona m’mikangano yambirimbiri padziko lonse lapansi. Ndipo mwatsoka, iyi ndi imodzi mwa nthawi yayitali kwambiri komanso yozama kwambiri.
