Kwihlabathi apho iingcamango namahlelo esoloko exhokonxa impikiswano nesiphithiphithi, ukuqonda ukuntsonkotha kwezi ziganeko kuba yeyona nto ibalulekileyo. The European Times ndafumana ithuba elinqabileyo lokuhlala phantsi noPeter Schulte, isazinzulu sezentlalo esibekekileyo nowayesakuba yi-Weltanschauungsbeauftragter (oko abaninzi bakubiza ngokuba “ngumkomishinala wehlelo/ihlelo”), owaphonononga ubunzulu bezi zifundo ngaphezu kweminyaka elishumi. Kolu dliwano-ndlebe lukhethekileyo, uSchulte wabelana ngamava akhe anzulu, ukucamngca, kunye nemigqaliselo ekhanyisela ihlabathi elisoloko lingaqondwa kakuhle “lamahlelo” kunye “namahlelo.”
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Ngomsebenzi osusela ku-1998 ukuya ku-2010, indima kaSchulte njengommeli kwiingcamango kunye namahlelo amtyhila kwiimbono ezahlukeneyo kunye namabali obomi achukumisayo. Ngokuchaseneyo nolindelo oluqhelekileyo, wafumanisa ukuba ubume bokwenene bale miba buntsonkothe kakhulu kwaye bunxibelelene noluntu kunokuba bekukholelwa ngaphambili. Kule ncoko inyanisekileyo, uSchulte ujongana nendlela ukudibana kwakhe nabantu abafuna uncedo ekudla ngokukhokelela kwizityhilelo ezothusayo, edlula umzobo ongaphezulu wento ebizwa ngokuba “ngamahlelo.”
Njengoko incoko ihamba, uSchulte uphinde ajonge kumava akhe Scientology, umxholo oqhubeka utsala umdla woluntu. Ngophando olucokisekileyo kunye nohlalutyo, utyhila imiba yezentlalo eqhuba ukubekwa ibala kwale ntshukumo yenkolo, umngeni kwiimbono ezikhoyo kwaye ephakamisa imibuzo exhokonxa iingcinga malunga nemilinganiselo yoluntu kunye nokuziphatha. Incwadi yakhe igubungela imibuzo efana nethi “Kukwesiphi na isiseko esibambekayo Scientology wabhengezwa njengesisongelo ekuhlaleni? Babeyintoni oonobangela bezi zenzo? Ngawaphi amaziko, abantu okanye abanye abadlali ababandakanyekayo ngokubalulekileyo? Ziziphi iindlela abazisebenzisayo ukwenza Scientology zibonakala ziyingozi?"
Kule ngxoxo ivula amehlo, uSchulte unikezela ngombono omtsha "kwingxaki yehlelo," ekhuthaza indlela ecacileyo kunye nenjongo yokuqonda inkolo entsha kunye nokomoya. Ukholelwa ukuba urhulumente, kungekhona iicawa kuphela, ezimele zibe nendima ekukhuthazeni ukwenziwa kwezinto elubala nasekukhuthazeni iimbono ezisekelwe kwimibandela yonqulo.
Sijoyine njengoko siqala uhambo lolwazi kunye nokhanyiselo kunye noPeter Schulte, sijonga ubunzima obufihliweyo obusemva kweengcinga kunye namahlelo kolu dliwanondlebe lukhethekileyo oluziswe kuwe. The European Times.
The European Times: Ngaba uye waba "ngummeli weengcamango kunye namahlelo" (Weltanschauungsbeauftragter)?
UPeter Schulte: Ngokwenene yayiyinto engenamsebenzi. Ndenze isidanga sam sobugqirha njengenzululwazi yezentlalo ngo-1998, bendisebenza kuphando kangangethuba elithile kwaye bendijonge umngeni omtsha. Ngebhaqo ndadibana nesibhengezo sephephandaba: abantu babefunwa ukuze baseke kwaye balawule iziko lolwazi lemiba yezenkolo neengcamango. Umqeshi wayeliphondo laseTyrol. Ndafaka isicelo ndaza samkelwa ndingazi nokuba ndilindele ntoni.
Usebenze ixesha elingakanani apho?
PS: Ukususela ngo-1998 ukuya ku-2010, kwisebe lezentlalo nezopolitiko kwi-Ofisi kaRhulumente waseTyrolean. Ndandinabasebenzi ababini, iofisi enkulu kwaye ndandinoxanduva lokunika iingcebiso kunye nommandla wolwazi "kwimiba yamacandelo".
Ngawaphi amava oye waba nawo ngeli xesha?
PS: Ndifumene umdla ukwazi ukuba ngabaphi abantu abaya kwiziko elinjalo elinenkxalabo. Inkcazelo yokuqala endayifumanayo yayiziincwadi ezivela kumaziko eengcebiso ngamahlelo awahlukahlukeneyo eJamani naseOstriya, kumanyathelo ecawa naworhulumente nakubazali babucala. Imiqondiso yayicacile: ingozi yezinto ezibizwa ngokuba ngamahlelo inkulu kakhulu kwaye nam ndinokuba ngumntu obandakanyekayo kumlo ochasene nobubi emhlabeni. Izixhobo eziyimfuneko zoku, eziziincwadana zolwazi zazo zonke iintlobo, zanikezelwa ngokukhawuleza.
Noko ke, abantu ababeza kum ngokungqalileyo befuna icebiso babengenamdla kangako kuncwadi. Babenomdla ngakumbi kwiingxaki eziphathekayo, zemihla ngemihla ekucacileyo ukuba zazinento yokwenza noko kubizwa ngokuba ngamahlelo. Noko ke, xa kuhlolisiswa ngokucokisekileyo, kuye kwafumaniseka ukuba iingxaki zabo zintsonkothe ngakumbi kwaye zikude kakhulu kwaye ingxaki engunobangela - oko kukuthi, into ebizwa ngokuba yihlelo - yayiyinxalenye nje enye yenkqubo yonxibelelwano iyonke.
Ikakhulu la ibingamabali obomi bomntu ngamnye apho kuye kwazanywa ukwakha umxholo “ofana nehlelo”. Abanye abantu abafuna uncedo babekwimeko emaxongo kangangokuba babengasakwazi ukwenza iingcebiso.
Babekholelwa kwiithiyori zeyelenqe namagunya angaphandle awayeza kubabekela imiqathango aze abalawule kwizenzo zabo. Olu qwalaselo aluhoywa ngokupheleleyo kwindawo yokucebisa, nangona ngokoluvo lwam, zenza isiseko esibalulekileyo sengxoxo malunga nendlela yokujongana nezinto ezibizwa ngokuba ngamahlelo.
Ungasixelela ntoni ngamava akho Scientology?
PS: Scientology isebenzela abantu abaninzi njengesikrini sokubonisa ububi obugqwesileyo. Akunamsebenzi kwaphela ukuba izityholo ziyinyaniso okanye zibubuxoki, okubalulekileyo kukuba zikhonza ukuqhubela phambili iintsomi malunga noko kubizwa ngokuba ngamahlelo. Indawo yokucebisa yenza yonke into ukuthutha nokugcina lo mfanekiso. Indenze ndazibuza xa ndifunda ukuba kumaziko amaninzi okucebisa, Scientology iphezulu kuluhlu lwezicelo. Andikwazanga ukwenza oku kuqwalaselwa.
Ngexesha lam lokusebenza, ndandilindele amalungu e Scientology ababekhangela uncedo, ukukhatshwa kunye neengcebiso ekuphumeni kwabo. Kodwa akuzange kubekho mntu uzayo kum, kunoko abantu beecawa ezaziwayo ababefuna ukuzishiya beza kum, uninzi lwabo ingamagosa aphakamileyo awayengavisisani namagunya ecawa. Kwaye nangona babezinikele kakhulu ekulungelweni kwabo bonke, babezele kukungazithembi nokuba netyala.
Ukuza kuthi ga namhlanje, intetho evulekileyo Scientology ilahlekile, ngokukodwa impendulo kumbuzo oqhelekileyo wentsingiselo yonqulo olutsha kunye nobumoya kwihlabathi eliye ladideka. Ndibona enye ingxaki kumsebenzi weendaba zakudala ukupapasha ulwazi oluthembekileyo kunye neenyani. Nangona kunjalo, ngokufika kweendaba zoluntu kunye neendlela ezintsha zolwazi, zihlala zinyanzeliswa ukuba zivelise ingqwalasela ukwenzela ukuba ukufunda kwabo kungapheli.
Yintoni eyakwenza ukuba ushiye umsebenzi emva kweminyaka eyi-12?
PS: Ndaqonda andingeni ndawo. Urhulumente welizwe wayenolindelo endandingafuni okanye ndingakwazi ukuhlangabezana nalo. Logama nje usasaza “ingozi yehlelo” kwaye ngaloo ndlela ubiza i-specter ngegama layo, uyinxalenye yoluntu olungaziyo ukuzithandabuza. Wonke umntu kufuneka acinge ngendlela efanayo kwaye abo bangakwenzi oko basongelwa ngokuvalelwa ngaphandle kunye nokugxothwa ngonaphakade. Luphawu lwenxalenye enkulu yemeko yokucebisa ukuba ayihoyi kakhulu iimbono ezichaseneyo namava, nangona isalatha kule ngxaki kanye “kumahlelo”.
Ubhale incwadi kamva.
PS: Ewe, ndandifuna ukwenza amagqabantshintshi namava am afumaneke kuluntu olunomdla, ukuze ndizise impembelelo entsha kwingxubusho, ngokungathi kunjalo. Isiphumo saba luhlalutyo oludumileyo-lwenzululwazi olujonga isihloko kumanqanaba ahlukeneyo.
Incwadi yakho entsha izinikele ngokupheleleyo kumxholo we Scientology. Ngoba?
PS: Bendifuna ukwazi ukuba le ngxabano yeza njani, ngoba Scientology ijongwa yiOfisi yaseJamani yoKhuselo loMgaqo-siseko kwaye yeyiphi imiba yezentlalo echaphazela imbonakalo yentlalo Scientology. Ukwenza oku, ndaphanda ngokunzulu iminyaka, ndisebenza ngamaxwebhu kwaye ndenza udliwano-ndlebe. Ukuhlolwa kweefayile zoRhulumente waseJamani kuphela kubonisa ukuba incinci kangakanani idatha kwaye oko Scientology sele ijongwe yiOfisi yoKhuselo loMgaqo-siseko ukusukela ngo-1997 ngaphandle kwesiseko.
Scientology yinto enomdla kuba siyakwazi ukujonga imiba yentlalontle yokungabandakanywa kunye nokubekwa amabala kwindlela uluntu olujongana ngayo noMbutho oNtsha weNkolo. Le ngxoxo ayikho malunga neenyaniso okanye inyaniso, kodwa imalunga nokuphathwa kwemilinganiselo kunye nokuziphatha. Intlangano yonqulo egxeka ixesha elidlulileyo lengqondo kunye neendlela zayo, ngokubanzi, ayizange ibe khona eJamani. Kwangaxeshanye, ndiye ndaqaphela ukuba amanye amaqela anomdla asebenza ngokuzingisileyo ukubonisa abo babizwa ngokuba ngabayeka isikolo njengabameli boluntu luphela, ngenjongo yokusasaza umfanekiso ombi ngoluntu. Scientology eluntwini. Maxa wambi ndandiye ndicinge ukuba le yinzame yokususa ingqalelo kwiimfundiso zeecawa ezisemthethweni.
Yasabela njani incwadi yakho?
PS: Ndandilindele okungakumbi: ukucaphuka ngakumbi ngokuziphatha, iingxoxo ezingakumbi, iingxoxo ezingakumbi. Nangona amawaka aliqela eencwadi esasazwa, kum kubonakala ngathi le ncwadi ivaliwe. Kwanababesakuba ngoogxa bam abakwindawo yokucebisa abakhange basabele kupapasho lwam, ngokunjalo neOfisi yaseJamani yoKhuselo loMgaqo-siseko. Endaweni yoko, ndiye ndakwazi ukufunda iiphononongo ezimbalwa kwiAmazon. Noko ke, andizange ndihlaselwe njengomntu otshabalalisa iindlwane okanye njengongekho ngokwenzululwazi.
Okwangoku, inguqulelo yesiNgesi yale ncwadi iyafumaneka kwaye iza kupapashwa kungekudala.
Xa ujonga umva: Uyibona njani “ingxaki yonqulo” ngokubanzi?
PS: Ingxoxo ibaxiwe ngokupheleleyo, kwaye akukho nto ibuzwayo. Ummandla obizwa ngokuba ngamahlelo uchaphazela kuphela iindawo ezithile zoluntu lwethu, kwaye kaninzi malunga nokuqhelaniswa nexabiso okanye, ukubeka nje, malunga nombuzo wento evumelekileyo kwaye yintoni engavumelekanga. Kukho amaqela anomdla anengxaki ngenkolo entsha kunye nokomoya, abantu abakholelwa ukuba kuyingozi ebantwini. Kutheni abantu bebhenela kunikezelo olutsha lokomoya, into abayifunayo okanye abayifumanayo apho, okanye into yokuba abantu bazive bekhathalelwe kumaqela anjalo, ayinamsebenzi kwaphela kula maqela anomdla.
Akufunekanga siwuyekele ezicaweni lo mbandela wodwa – njengoko bekunjalo kwixesha elidlulileyo – kuba urhulumente kufuneka eneneni abe nomsebenzi wokuqinisekisa ukuba izinto ziselubala kwimiba yezenkolo okanye ukuqinisekisa ulungelelwaniso lolwazi. Ngale ndlela, ummi unokwenza uluvo olunenjongo.
I-FECRIS ngumbutho wamazwe ngamazwe odibanisa iintshukumo ezahlukeneyo ezichasene namahlelo. Ngaba unawo nawaphi na amava ngale nto?
PS: E-Austria, kukho umbutho oxhasayo nokhuthazayo FECRIS. Amalungu ayo angama-whippersnappers achasene naluphi na uhlobo lwenkolo entsha kunye nokomoya. Basasaza iithiyori ezingaqhelekanga malunga "neenkonzo" kunye "neendlela" zabo. Ndandisoloko ndivakalelwa kukuba babezama ukugxeka iingxabano zentsapho “kumahlelo”.
Wenza ntoni namhlanje?
PS: Ndingusomashishini oziqeshileyo kwicandelo lezempilo. Apha kufuneka ndinxibelelane kakhulu kwinqanaba lamehlo, apho abathengi bam kwaye ndiyayixabisa kakhulu. Ndisenomdla kulo mxholo yaye ngamaxesha athile ndisafumana izimemo zokunikela uluvo lwam ngombandela wemibutho yonqulo.
Okungakumbi malunga noPeter Schulte:
UPeter Schulte yinzululwazi yentlalontle eyaziwayo ngamagalelo akhe aqondayo kwinzululwazi yezentlalo kunye neengcinga. Wasebenza njengorhulumente "ummeli" kwiingcamango kunye namahlelo iminyaka elishumi elinesibini, efumana ukuqonda okukhethekileyo kwiingxaki zenkolo kunye neengcamango. Uphando lukaSchulte lwacela umngeni kwiimbono ezixhaphakileyo, ekhuthaza ukuba kuqondwe ngakumbi iintshukumo ezintsha zonqulo. Namhlanje, ungusomashishini oziqeshileyo kwicandelo lezempilo, eqhubeka nokwabelana ngolwazi nobuchule bakhe. Umdla kaSchulte wokutyhila indlela yokuziphatha komntu kunye nokukhuthaza iingxoxo ezinolwazi kushiye impembelelo ehlala ihleli kwihlabathi lezenzululwazi zentlalo.
