Iphephandaba lolwimi lwaseRashiya i-Izvestia lapapasha udliwano-ndlebe lukaSofia Devyatova kunye noPatriarch Theophilus III malunga nezisongelo ajamelene nazo amaKristu kwiLizwe Elingcwele, isimo sengqondo sawo ngogonyo kunye nethemba lonqulo lwamaKristu eYerusalem kulo nyaka.
-Isimo sakho sengqondo esihle, usandula ukuthetha malunga nezoyikiso kubukho bobuKristu eYerusalem nakwiLizwe eliNgcwele. Inkulu kangakanani ingozi yokutshintsha imeko yepropathi? Ngaba kunokufunyanwa ulungelelwano olwanelisa onke amaqela?
– Namhlanje sijongene nobungozi obucacileyo. AmaKristu ehlabathini lonke afanele ayixhalabele imeko yabazalwana noodade bawo kwiLizwe Elingcwele. Isisongelo sokuba siya kugxothwa siyinyaniso. Kumashumi eminyaka akutshanje, ngelishwa, siye saqhelana namaqela aneengcwangu zase-Israel athatha impahla yeentsapho zamaKristu kunye namaziko ecawa ngeendlela zokunganyaniseki. Namhlanje, ukuhlasela kwabo kusongela ukuqhubela phambili.
Ukuba la maqela anamandla ahlala kwiindawo ezicwangcisiweyo zabahambi abangamaKristu kwi-Jaffa Gates, ngoko ke nangakumbi amaKristu aya kuyishiya iYerusalem, kwaye izigidi zabahambi ngezonqulo emhlabeni jikelele aziyi kukwazi ukuthatha uhambo olupheleleyo lokomoya. Ukongeza, ukunyamalala koluntu lwamaKristu - uluntu olubonelela ngemfundo, ukhathalelo lwempilo, inkxaso yoncedo kubantu bazo zonke iinkolo kulo mmandla - kuya kuba neziphumo ezibi kakhulu kwabo basengozini. Kwakhona iya kungcolisa kabuhlungu igama leYerusalem njengekomkhulu lehlabathi lonqulo.
AmaKristu ehlabathini lonke ayinxalenye yoluntu loVuko. Abo kuthi banqula kwindawo yokufa nokuvuka kukaKristu bangabathwali bale ngcamango. Yingakho sizama ukusebenzisana kunye nabamelwane bethu ukuze sifumane isisombululo esiya kukhusela ipaneli yeenkolo ezininzi kunye neenkcubeko ezininzi zesixeko esingcwele.
- ICawa yaseRashiya yaseOthodoki idla ngokuthetha ngokungavumelekanga ukubonakaliswa kwe-radicalism kunye neengxabano kubudlelwane bezenkolo. Ngaba ngenene singena kwixesha elitsha lokujongana ngezikhondo zamehlo kwaye ucinga ukuba le nto inento yokwenza nantoni?
- Ngelishwa, sibona indlela inani labantu abahluphekayo ngenxa yeenkolelo zabo zonqulo landa ngonyaka ngamnye odlulayo. Bangaphezu kwama-80% abo batshutshiswayo kwihlabathi liphela ngamaKristu. Ngokwahlukileyo koko, iYerusalem ingqina ukuba kunokwenzeka imvisiswano yonqulo. Siye sahlala nabamelwane bethu abangamaYuda namaSilamsi kangangeenkulungwane ezininzi. Ubukho bethu kwisiXeko esiDala abuphakamisi imibuzo nokuba kurhulumente, okanye kumaziko enkolo, okanye kuninzi lwabemi abahlala eluxolweni nakwimpumelelo.
Nangona kunjalo ikamva lethu lisongelwa ngamaqela amancinane eengcaphephe zakwaSirayeli ezixhaswa ngemali kakuhle alwa imfazwe enzima noluntu olungenakuzikhusela olufuna kuphela ukuthanda nokusebenzela abamelwane balo. Okwangoku singaphantsi kwe-1% yabemi kwaye amanani ethu aye ehla. Umhlaba kufuneka usebenze de kube kusemva kwexesha.
Ngo-2019, udibene noMongameli waseRussia uVladimir Putin. Wathetha ngomxholo wokukhusela amaKristu kwimeko enzima kakhulu ngokunxulumene neziganeko zoMbindi Mpuma. Emva koko inkokeli yaseRashiya yaphawula ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ukuseka ubudlelwane obusondeleyo kunye neemvaba zamaSilamsi. Ungathini malunga nokusebenza nabameli be-Islam kule ndlela?
-Simele sihlawule uMongameli uPutin ngemigudu yakhe yokuxhasa uluntu lwamaKristu emhlabeni jikelele. Sinehlombe elikhulu yaye sinombulelo ongazenzisiyo ngenkxaso yakhe. Ukwalungile ukuthetha ngesidingo sobudlelwane obusondeleyo phakathi kwamaKristu kunye namaSilamsi. Kwelethu icala, amaKristu abizwe nguYesu Kristu ukuba azabalazele ukunceda wonke umntu aze athande abamelwane bawo njengoko ezithanda.
EYerusalem, iicawa ziye zagcina ulwalamano oluhle nabazalwana noodade bethu abangamaSilamsi ngaphezu kweminyaka eliwaka. Ndidibana rhoqo neenkokeli zamaSilamsi ezivela kwiLizwe eliNgcwele nakwihlabathi liphela. Ndibubulela ngokukhethekileyo ubuhlobo noKumkani u-Abdullah waseJordan, othe, njengomgcini weendawo ezingcwele zamaKristu namaSilamsi kwiLizwe eliNgcwele, akadinwa kwiinzame zakhe zokukhusela amaKristu apha nakuMbindi Mpuma wonke. Ngaphandle kokuzikhukhumeza, ndicinga ukuba sinokufundisa ihlabathi indlela yokwakha ubudlelwane obuhle phakathi kwamaSilamsi namaKristu.
- Uyivavanya njani imeko yamaKristu eKazakhstan ngokuchasene nemvelaphi yoqhanqalazo oluninzi, uqhankqalazo kunye nokukhula kweemvakalelo ezibukhali kweli lizwe?
-Imeko yaseKazakhstan ixhalabisa kakhulu kuthi sonke. UYesu Kristu wafundisa abalandeli bakhe ukuba bathandaze baze basebenzele uxolo eYerusalem. Sihlaba ikhwelo kumaKristu ehlabathini lonke ukuba athandazele uxolo eKazakhstan aze acele abazalwana noodadewethu baseKazakhstan ukuba benze konke okusemandleni abo ukuze kubekho uxolo noxolelwaniso kwelo lizwe.
- Kwiminyaka emithathu edlulileyo, ucebise intlanganiso yeenkokeli zeeCawa zeOthodoki malunga nombandela wokoyisa ukwahlukana okubangelwa ukukhutshwa kweTomos ye-Autocephaly ye "Orthodox Church yaseUkraine". Ngaba le ndlela yokusombulula ingxaki isenokwenzeka? Uwuvavanya njani ubungakanani beyantlukwano efikelele kuyo ngoku?
– Imbalwa imiba enokuthelekiseka ngokubaluleka kumbandela womanyano lweCawe. Kwiiyure ezimbalwa phambi kokubanjwa Kwakhe, uYesu Krestu wayethandaza apha kuMyezo waseGetsemane eYerusalem. Kule mizuzu ixabisekileyo, Wathandazela abafundi Bakhe, iBandla, kunye nabo bonke abalandeli Bakhe. Ngaphezu kwako konke, ukuba mnye.
Ngo-2019, ndiye ndawongwa ngokufumana iBhaso kwi-Patriarch yakhe eNgcwele uCyril the Patriarch Alexy II ngeenzame zam zokuqinisa umanyano lwabantu baseOthodoki. Emva koko ndathi nezona ntsapho zibambiseneyo zidlula kumaxesha ezilingo neengxabano. NjengeCawa yokuqala, iiCawa zethu zamaOthodoki zisikelelwe ngobukho bababhishophu, oobhishophu abakhulu kunye noobhishophu, ngamnye wabo uhlala neCawa kwaye uzimisele ukuphila ubomi obulungileyo kunye nokukhokela abanye kwiindawo ezahlukeneyo kunye namaxesha anzima. Akumangalisi ke ngoko ukuba kubekho iingxabano.
Kudala ndikholelwa ukuba unxibelelwano lusinika esona sicombululo kwezona ngxaki zethu zinkulu. KwiiCawa zobuOthodoki, kubalulekile ukuba siqhubeke sihlanganisana ngomoya wothando lobuKristu nobuzalwana size sixubushe ngemibandela eyahlulahlula ngokulula. Ngokuphila ngobubele nokwabelana ngako konke esinako, simema uMoya oyiNgcwele ukuba asimanyane. Ndandichulumancile kakhulu ngokuvuma kweenkokeli ukudibana kwaye ndijonge phambili kumathuba amatsha okwabelana nabo ngeengcinga zam kwiinyanga ezizayo.
Malunga nentlanganiso ezayo kaSolusapho uCyril kunye noPopu Francis: yeyiphi imiba ocinga ukuba kufuneka iphakanyiswe kuyo?
Ndiyavuya kuba uPatriarch Kirill edibana noPopu. Ngokusuka kumava am, ndingatsho ukuba ukudibana noPope Francis kuhlala kuluyolo olukhulu. Uyinkokeli ekhuthazayo kunye nomhlobo othembekileyo kuninzi lwethu kwihlabathi liphela. Ukwangumzekelo oqaqambileyo wobunkokeli bokwenyaniso bobuKristu kwihlabathi elabahlukeneyo nelahluleleneyo. Ndiya kuthandazela ukuba intlanganiso yabo isikelelwe nokuba neengxubusho zayo zibe neziqhamo. Kwaye sikwachulumancile namazwi omyalezo weKrisimesi kaPatriarch uCyril, ngokuqinisekileyo uya kuphinda uvakale kwiindibano zakhe ezahlukeneyo, wokuba uyasixhasa kwiingxaki esijongene nazo.
-Iminyaka yobudala ye-coronavirus yahlule uluntu lwaba ziinxalenye ezimbini kumba wogonyo. Ngokwembono yeCawe, unokuzivavanya njani izenzo zabachasi bogonyo, abaye bafumana abalandeli kwaye baqhubeleka bekhokelela kwisiphithiphithi esikhulu?
- Okokuqala, umsebenzi wam kukuthanda abantu, kungekhona ukubagweba. Okwesibini, ukuthathela ingqalelo imibuzo yakho yangaphambili, kubalulekile ukuba sithathele ingqalelo inkululeko yabantu. Okwesithathu, mna, njengezinye iinkokeli ezininzi zamaKristu kwihlabathi liphela, ndonwabile ukugonyelwa i-coronavirus. Isitofu sokugonya yimpendulo kwimithandazo yethu, kwaye ndiyambulela uThixo ngobu buchwepheshe busindisayo. Ikhusela abantu ekufeni nakwizigulo ezimandundu, inciphisa amathuba okosulela abanye. Ngokufutshane, ugonyo yindlela esebenzisekayo yokubonisa uthando ngommelwane.
-Ngaba unqulo lunokwenziwa kwindyikityha kwaye ucinga ukuba iya kuba yintoni kulo nyaka? INgqobhoko iya kuyibhiyozela njani iIsta?
-Ubhubhani we-coronavirus utshintshe izinto ezininzi kwihlabathi lethu. KwiLizwe eliNgcwele, sizila ukunqongophala kwabanquli. Ngumsebenzi wethu ongcwele ukwamkela abantu abavela kwihlabathi liphela beze kwezi ndawo zingcwele. Kulo nyaka sinethemba lokwamkela abahambi ngezonqulo abaninzi, kodwa sisaqonda ukuba inani elipheleleyo leendwendwe mhlawumbi liya kuhlala lithozamile.
Ndibongoza wonke umntu ukuba akhumbule ukuba unqulo lunokwenzeka naphi na. Zininzi iihambo esinokuzithatha: ngokwasemzimbeni, ngokwasemoyeni, kumazwe angaphandle, nakuluntu lwethu. Zininzi iindawo esinokuya kuzo kunye neendidi ezahlukeneyo zamava esinokuwafumana ukuze sisondele kuKristu. NgePasika sibhiyozela uVuko lukaKrestu, kwaye ngePentekoste siyavuma ukuba ukho naphi na apho kukho ibandla, ngamandla kaMoya oyiNgcwele.
Yiyo loo nto ndihlaba ikhwelo kubo bonke abazalwana noodade kwihlabathi jikelele ukuba bafune iindawo ezingcwele kwiindawo abahlala kuzo; ukuguqula izixeko neecawe zabo zibe yindawo yonqulo baze kwakhona bafumane uthando olungenasiphelo, olungenasiphelo lukaThixo, oluthi lube lolwethu ngePasika. Ukuba singakufezekisa oku, ndiyakholwa ukuba uMoya oyiNgcwele uyakongeza uYesu Krestu ebomini bethu nakuluntu lwethu ngendlela entsha.
Uguqulelo: P. Gramatikov
Umthombo: iphephandaba Izvestia
