Ezweni lapho imibono namahlelo evame ukuvusa izingxabano nokudideka, ukuqonda ubunkimbinkimbi balezi zenzakalo kuba okubaluleke kakhulu. The European Times ngibe nethuba eliyivelakancane lokuhlala phansi noPeter Schulte, usosayensi wezenhlalo ohlonishwayo futhi owake waba yi-Weltanschauungsbeauftragter (lokho abaningi abakubiza ngokuthi “ukhomishana wamahlelo/ihlelo”), owacubungula ekujuleni kwalezi zifundo iminyaka engaphezu kweshumi. Kule ngxoxo ekhethekile, uSchulte wabelana ngokuhlangenwe nakho kwakhe okujulile, ukuzindla, kanye nokuphawula okukhanyisa izwe elivame ukuqondwa kabi “lamahlelo” “namahlelo.”
Isingeniso
Ngomsebenzi othathe kusukela ngo-1998 kuya ku-2010, indima kaSchulte njengommeleli wemibono namahlelo yamveza emibonweni eyahlukene nasezindabeni zokuphila ezithinta inhliziyo. Ngokuphambene nokulindela okuvamile, wathola ukuthi isimo sangempela salezi zindaba sasiyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu futhi sihlangene nomphakathi kunalokho okwakucatshangwa ngaphambili. Kule ngxoxo eqotho, uSchulte ukhuluma ngokuthi ukuhlangana kwakhe nabantu abafuna usizo kuvame ukuholela ekwambulweni okumangazayo, okudlula ukuvezwa okungaphezulu kwalokho okubizwa ngokuthi “amahlelo.”
Njengoba ingxoxo igeleza, u-Schulte uphinde ahlolisise okuhlangenwe nakho kwakhe Scientology, isihloko esiqhubeka nokudonsa ukunaka komphakathi. Ngokucwaninga nokuhlaziya okucophelelayo, wembula izici zezenhlalo eqhuba ukucwaswa kwale nhlangano yenkolo, abeke inselele imibono ekhona futhi aphakamise imibuzo eshukumisa ingqondo mayelana nezindinganiso zomphakathi kanye nokuziphatha. Incwadi yakhe ihlanganisa imibuzo efana nokuthi “Bekusiphi isisekelo esizwakalayo Scientology wamemezela usongo emphakathini? Zaziyini izimbangela zalezi zenzo? Yiziphi izikhungo, abantu noma abanye abalingisi ababambe iqhaza kakhulu? Iziphi izindlela ababezisebenzisa ukwenza Scientology kubonakala kuyingozi?"
Kule ngxoxo evula amehlo, u-Schulte unikeza umbono omusha “ngenkinga yehlelo,” ekhuthaza indlela ecashile nenenjongo yokuqonda inkolo entsha nengokomoya. Ukholelwa ukuthi uhulumeni, hhayi amasonto kuphela, kufanele abambe iqhaza ekukhuthazeni izinto obala nasekukhuthazeni imibono enolwazi ngezindaba zenkolo.
Hlanganyela nathi njengoba singena ohambweni lolwazi nokukhanyiselwa noPeter Schulte, sihlola ubunkimbinkimbi obufihliwe ngemuva kwemibono namahlelo kule ngxoxo ekhethekile elethwe kuwena. The European Times.
The European Times: Ube kanjani “ummeleli wemibono namahlelo” (Weltanschauungsbeauftragter)?
UPeter Schulte: Empeleni bekuyize. Ngenze iziqu zami zobudokotela njengososayensi wezenhlalo ngo-1998, ngase ngisebenza ocwaningweni isikhathi eside futhi ngangimane ngifuna inselele entsha. Ngenhlanhla ngahlangana nesikhangiso sephephandaba: abantu babefunwa ukuze basungule futhi baphathe isikhungo solwazi mayelana nezindaba zezenkolo nezemibono. Umqashi wayeyisifundazwe saseTyrol. Ngafaka isicelo futhi ngamukelwa ngingazi ukuthi ngilindeleni.
Usebenze isikhathi esingakanani lapho?
PS: Kusukela ngo-1998 kuya ku-2010, emnyangweni wezenhlalakahle nezombusazwe weHhovisi likaHulumeni waseTyrolean. Nganginabasebenzi ababili, ihhovisi elikhulu futhi nganginomthwalo wemfanelo wokwelulekwa kanye nolwazi “lwezinkinga zamahlelo”.
Yikuphi okuhlangenwe nakho kwakho phakathi nalesi sikhathi?
PS: Ngikuthole kuthakazelisa ukwazi ukuthi yibaphi abantu abaya esikhungweni esinjalo abakhathazeke ngaso. Ulwazi lokuqala engaluthola kwakuwukwaziswa okuvela ezikhungweni zokwelulekwa zamahlelo ahlukahlukene eJalimane nase-Austria, ezimisweni zesonto nezombuso kanye nakubazali abazimele. Izimpawu zazicacile: ingozi yalokho okuthiwa amahlelo inkulu kakhulu futhi nami ngingaba umuntu ohileleke ekulweni nobubi emhlabeni. Izikhali ezidingekayo zalokhu, okuyizincwajana zolwazi zazo zonke izinhlobo, zanikezwa ngokushesha.
Nokho, abantu ababeza kimi ngokuqondile befuna iseluleko babengenasithakazelo ezincwadini. Babenesithakazelo kakhulu ezinkingeni ezingathi sína, zansuku zonke ngokusobala ezazihlobene nalawo okuthiwa amahlelo. Nokho, lapho kuhlolisiswa kabanzi, ngokuvamile kwavela ukuthi izinkinga zabo zaziyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu futhi zikude kakhulu nokuthi inkinga eyimbangela - okungukuthi lokho okubizwa ngokuthi ihlelo - kwakuyingxenye eyodwa kuphela yohlelo lonke lokusebenzisana.
Lezi kwakuyizindaba eziningi zokuphila komuntu ngamunye lapho kwenziwa umzamo wokwakha umongo "ofana nehlelo". Abanye ababefuna usizo babesesimweni esibucayi kangangokuthi babengasakwazi nokululekwa.
Babekholelwa emibonweni yozungu kanye namandla angaphandle ayeyobabekela imingcele futhi abalawule ezenzweni zabo. Lokhu kubuka kushaywa indiva ngokuphelele endaweni yokwelulekwa, nakuba ngokubona kwami, kwakha isisekelo esibalulekile sengxoxo mayelana nendlela yokubhekana nalokho okubizwa ngokuthi amahlelo.
Yini ongasitshela ngayo ngolwazi lwakho Scientology?
PS: Scientology isebenzela abantu abaningi njengesikrini sobubi obusezingeni eliphezulu. Akunamsebenzi nhlobo ukuthi izinsolo ziyiqiniso noma zingamanga, okubalulekile ukuthi ziqhubekisela phambili izinganekwane zalokho okuthiwa ngamahlelo. Indawo yokwelulekwa yenza konke ukuthutha nokugcina lesi sithombe. Kungenze ngazibuza ukuthi uma ngifunda ezikhungweni eziningi zokwelulekwa, Scientology iphezulu ohlwini lwezicelo. Angikwazanga ukubona lokhu.
Ngesikhathi sami sokusebenza, ngangilindele amalungu e Scientology ababefuna usizo, ukuphelezelwa kanye nokwelulekwa ekuphumeni kwabo. Kodwa akekho owafika kimi, kunalokho abantu bamasonto aziwayo ababefuna ukuhamba beza kimi, ikakhulukazi izikhulu eziphakeme ezazingahambisani neziphathimandla zesonto. Futhi nakuba babezinikele kakhulu enzuzweni evamile, babegcwele ukungabaza nomuzwa wecala.
Kuze kube namuhla, inkulumo evulekile Scientology ishoda, ikakhulukazi impendulo yombuzo ojwayelekile wencazelo yenkolo entsha nengokomoya ezweni eliye ladida. Ngibona enye inkinga emsebenzini wezindaba zakudala ukushicilela ulwazi oluthembekile namaqiniso. Kodwa-ke, ngokufika kwezinkundla zokuxhumana kanye neziteshi ezintsha zolwazi, zivame ukuphoqeleka ukuthi zifake ukunaka ukuze ukufunda kwazo kungapheli.
Yini eyakwenza washiya umsebenzi ngemva kweminyaka engu-12?
PS: Ngabona ukuthi angifiki ndawo. Uhulumeni wesifunda wawunezinjongo engangingazimisele noma ngingakwazi ukuhlangabezana nazo. Uma nje usabalalisa “ingozi yamahlelo” futhi ngaleyo ndlela ubiza i-specter ngegama layo, uyingxenye yomphakathi ongazi ukungabaza. Wonke umuntu kufanele acabange ngendlela efanayo futhi labo abangakwenzi lokho basongelwa ngokukhishwa inyumbazane nokuxoshwa kwaphakade. Kuwuphawu lwengxenye enkulu yesigcawu sokwelulekwa ukuthi ngokuvamile ayishayi indiva imibono nesipiliyoni esiphambene, nakuba ikhomba yona kanye le nkinga “kumahlelo”.
Ubhale incwadi ngokuhamba kwesikhathi.
PS: Yebo, ngangifuna ukwenza lokho engikuphawulile nokuhlangenwe nakho kwami kutholakale emphakathini othakazelayo, ukuze ngifake umfutho omusha engxoxweni, ngomqondo ongokomfanekiso. Umphumela waba ukuhlaziya okudumile kwesayensi okubheka isihloko kumazinga ahlukene.
Incwadi yakho entsha igxile ngokuphelele esihlokweni Scientology. Ngani?
PS: Bengifuna ukwazi ukuthi le ngxabano yavela kanjani, ngani Scientology ibhekwa yiHhovisi LaseJalimane Lokuvikela Umthethosisekelo futhi yiziphi izici zezenhlalo ezithonya isithombe senhlalo Scientology. Ukuze ngenze lokhu, ngacwaninga ngokujulile iminyaka, ngasebenza ngemibhalo futhi ngenza izingxoxo. Ukuhlolwa kwamafayela kaHulumeni Wombuso WaseJalimane kuphela kubonisa ukuthi idatha incane kangakanani nokuthi Scientology empeleni ibhekwe iHhovisi Lokuvikelwa KoMthethosisekelo kusukela ngo-1997 ngaphandle kwesisekelo.
Scientology kuyinto ethokozisayo ngoba siyakwazi ukubona izici zenhlalo yabantu zokucwaswa kanye nokucwaswa ngendlela umphakathi obhekana ngayo nalo Mgubho Omusha Wezenkolo. Le ngxoxo ayiphathelene namaqiniso noma iqiniso, kodwa imayelana nokuphathwa kwezindinganiso nokuziphatha. Inhlangano yezenkolo elahla isikhathi esidlule sezifo zengqondo nezindlela zayo, ngokuvamile, ayikaze ibe khona eJalimane. Ngaso leso sikhathi, ngabona ukuthi amanye amaqembu anentshisekelo asebenza ngokuzimisela ukwethula labo okuthiwa abayeka ukufunda njengabamele wonke umphakathi, ngenhloso yokusabalalisa isithombe esibi nge Scientology emphakathini. Ngezinye izikhathi ngangiba nomuzwa wokuthi lokhu kwakuwumzamo wokuchezukisa ukunaka emabandleni asemthethweni.
Yasabela kanjani incwadi yakho?
PS: Bengilindele okwengeziwe: intukuthelo eyengeziwe yokuziphatha, izimpikiswano ezengeziwe, izingxoxo ezengeziwe. Nakuba izincwadi eziyizinkulungwane ezimbalwa zisakazwa, kimi kubonakala sengathi le ncwadi ithulisiwe. Ngisho nozakwethu bangaphambili abavela endaweni yezokubonisana abazange basabele ekushicilelweni kwami, kanjalo neHhovisi LaseJalimane Lokuvikelwa KoMthethosisekelo. Kunalokho, ngikwazile ukufunda izibuyekezo ezimbalwa ku-Amazon. Nokho, angizange ngihlaselwe njengomuntu ochitha isidleke noma njengokungqubuzana nesayensi.
Okwamanje, inguqulo yesiNgisi yencwadi iyatholakala futhi izoshicilelwa maduze.
Uma ubheka emuva: Uyibona kanjani “inkinga yehlelo” ngokuvamile?
PS: Ingxoxo inehaba ngokuphelele, futhi akubuzwa lutho. Indawo yalokho okubizwa ngokuthi amahlelo ithinta kuphela izindawo ezithile zomphakathi wethu, futhi ngokuvamile imayelana nokuqondiswa kwenani noma, ukubeka nje, mayelana nombuzo wokuthi yini evunyelwe nokuthi yini engavunyelwe. Kunamaqembu anentshisekelo anenkinga ngenkolo entsha nengokomoya, abantu abakholelwa ukuthi kuyingozi kubantu. Kungani abantu bephendukela ezintweni ezintsha ezingokomoya, abakufunayo noma abakutholayo lapho, noma iqiniso lokuthi abantu bazizwa benakekelwa kahle emaqenjini anjalo, lokho akunamsebenzi nhlobo kulawa maqembu anentshisekelo.
Akufanele siluyekele emabandleni udaba - njengoba sekwenzekile esikhathini esidlule - ngoba empeleni umbuso kufanele ube nomsebenzi wokuqinisekisa ukuthi izinto ezithinta inkolo zisegcekeni noma ziqinisekise ukulingana kolwazi. Ngale ndlela, isakhamuzi singakha umbono oqondile.
I-FECRIS yinhlangano yamazwe ngamazwe ehlanganisa izinhlangano ezihlukahlukene ezimelene namahlelo. Ingabe ube nakho lokhu?
PS: E-Austria, kukhona nenhlangano eyesekayo futhi ekhuthazayo FECRIS. Amalungu ayo angama-whippersnappers aphikisana nanoma yiluphi uhlobo lwenkolo entsha nengokomoya. Basakaza imibono eyinqaba mayelana “namahlelo” kanye “nezindlela” zawo. Ngangihlale nginomuzwa wokuthi babezama ukusola izingxabano zomkhaya “kumahlelo”.
Wenzani namuhla?
PS: Ngingusomabhizinisi ozisebenzelayo emkhakheni wezempilo. Lapha kufanele ngikhulume kakhulu ezingeni lamehlo, okuyinto amakhasimende ami futhi engikwazisa kakhulu. Ngisenesithakazelo esihlokweni futhi ngezinye izikhathi ngisathola izimemo zokunikeza umbono wami ngendaba yezinhlangano zenkolo.
Funda kabanzi ngombungazi, u Peter Schulte.
UPeter Schulte ungusosayensi wezenhlalo owaziwayo owaziwa ngamagalelo akhe anokuqonda kwezokuhlalisana kwabantu kanye nemibono. Wasebenza “njengommeleli” kahulumeni emibonweni nasemahlelweni iminyaka eyishumi nambili, ethola ukuqonda okuyingqayizivele ngobunkimbinkimbi bezindaba zenkolo nezemibono. Ucwaningo lukaSchulte lwabekela inselele imibono ebusayo, ekhuthaza ukuqondwa okucashile kwezinhlangano ezintsha zenkolo. Namuhla, usengusomabhizinisi ozisebenzelayo emkhakheni wezempilo, usaqhubeka nokwabelana ngolwazi nobungcweti bakhe. Uthando lukaSchulte lokudalula ukuziphatha komuntu kanye nokukhuthaza izingxoxo ezinolwazi lushiye umthelela ohlala njalo emhlabeni wesayensi yezenhlalo.
