Sachigaro weWorld Union of Old Believers Leonid Sevastianov achangobva kutaura kuti Papa Francis anoda kushanyira Moscow - uyezve Kyiv. Takakoka Leonid Sevastianov kuti ataure zvakadzama nezvenyaya iyi uye nezvehukama hwake naPapa mune zvese.
JLB: Zvaunotaura nezve chinzvimbo chaPapa Francis pahondo muUkraine zvinowanzoonekwa munhau, uye kutaura zvazviri, unoita semurevereri weruzhinji waPapa. Tinodzidza zvakawanda pamusoro pechinzvimbo chake nezvirongwa kubva kwauri kupfuura kwaari. Unobvumirwa here naBaba Vatsvene kutaura mashoko akadaro?
LS: Mhuri yangu yave ichiziva Pope kwemakore gumi. Kuzivana kwedu naye kwakaitika mukuronga konzati yorugare muSyria muVatican muna 10. Mudzimai wangu. Svetlana Kasyan, muimbi weopera, akapinda mukonzati nepurogiramu ari ega. Ini pachangu ndaibata nenyaya dzesangano. Kubva ipapo, rugare, kuita runyararo ndizvo chaizvo zvakabva pahukama hwedu naPope. Uyezve, mudzimai wangu neni tave tichishingaira mubasa racho kuwanda kufamba. Muna 2015, takagadzira iyo Sevha Upenyu Pamwe Chete, iyo inoshanda kuchengetedza chiremera nekodzero dzevana vasati vaberekwa. Nokuda kwemabasa ake, Svetlana akakwidziridzwa naPope Francis kusvika pachinzvimbo chaDame of the Order of St. Sylvester. Ini nomudzimai wangu tinokoshesa zvikuru ukama hwedu naPope Francis uye takatotumidza mwanakomana wedu achangoberekwa zita rake. Hondo payakatanga, Papa akandipa kuteerera kuti ndishande muchinangwa cherunyararo. Ini ndiri mumiriri wake akanaka mukusimudzira runyararo. Munoziva kuti Pope muJesuit. Zvemweya zvevaJesuit zvinosimbisa basa remunhu, murume mudiki, kuzvitonga kwake mukusimudzira Evhangeri pasi rose. Papa Francis, ndinofunga, anondivimba, achiziva kuti handina skeleton muwadhiropu, uye chikonzero changu kwaari chakajeka uye chiri pachena. Pope akandiudza kuti akanga akagadzirira chero danho kuitira kuti runyararo rutonge muEurope. Kwaari, rwendo rwokuenda kuRussia neUkraine rune chiratidzo chikuru. Ane chokwadi chokuti rwendo urwu ruchabatsira Ukraine neRussia kubvumirana pamusoro penyika ine vanhu vose zvakanaka.
JLB: Munguva yekuratidzira muBelarus, iwe wakatsigira pasina mubvunzo vanhu veBelarusian mukurwira rugare, rusununguko uye kururamisira. Chokwadi muhondo yeRussia muUkraine zvino ndeyaani? Iwe unofunga kuti zvakaruramiswa zvakadii zvirevo zvenharaunda yeRussia zvine chekuita neUkraine, kusanganisira maererano neCrimean Peninsula?
LS: Makore mashoma apfuura, ndingadai ndakaedza kupindura mubvunzo wenyu nenzira yamungada kunzwa mhinduro yangu. Asi ukama hwangu naPope Francis hwakandibatsira kuzvinzwisisa ndimene somuKristu, kana kuti, kana uchida, kunzwisisa chiKristu icho chimene. Ini ndichakupindura nemubvunzo kumubvunzo: ndeupi rutivi rwuri Papa panyaya yekuparadzwa kwePapa States, panyaya yekukundwa kweRoma naGaribaldi naVictor Emmanuel? Kana kuti Jesu Kristu nomuapostora Petro vakamira kudivi ripi panyaya yokuwa kweJerusarema mugore ra70 CE? Pfungwa yangu ndeyekuti chiKristu chakadaro hachipindure mibvunzo ye geopolitics. Asi, hakusi kugona kwechiKristu. Kuona chiKristu sekuda nyika haisi chikamu cheevhangeri. Handisi kuti munhu ngaasave munhu anoda nyika yake, ndiri kungoti chiKristu hachipinzwe munhau yekuda nyika nezvido zvenyika. ChiKristu chinoshanda nemibvunzo yekusingaperi - kunyangwe Nyika pachayo uye solar system isipo. Naizvozvo, vazhinji havanzwisisi Pope, vanoda kumuona semutongi wezvematongerwo enyika, sezvakaonekwa nevazhinji venguva yake muna Kristu. Vachiodzwa mwoyo naye sowezvamatongerwe enyika, vamwe vanhu vanoMupandukira, vamwe vanomuramba, uye vamwezve vakagadzirira kumuroverera pamuchinjikwa. Ngatitarisei Pope semuparidzi weVhangeri, kwete semunhu wezvematongerwo enyika.
[Leonid Sevastianov akatopa maonero ake pamusoro pehondo, ichitaura kuti mumurangariro wechiKristu, kuitsigira inhema. Uye muna Nyamavhuvhu 30, 2022, Vatican yakabudisa chirevo iyo yaiti: “Kana iri yehondo huru muUkraine yakatangwa neRussian Federation, kupindira kwaPope Francis kwakajeka uye hakuna mubvunzo mukuishora sekusarurama kwetsika, kusatenderwa, kusarurama, kupusa, kusemesa uye kunyomba.”]
JLB: Iwe unogara uchipa mhinduro kuTASS, iyo inoonekwa kunze kwenyika seimwe yemiromo yeKremlin propaganda. Sei muchibatira pamwe neiyi midhiya?
LS: Kune matatu chete masangano enhau muRussia: TASS, RIA Novosti uye Interfax. Kwete vamwe. Handikwanisi kuva nemhosva kune vamwe. Ndinogona kungozvipindura ndega. Chete nekuti hapana kurudziro yezvematongerwo enyika uye propaganda yezvematongerwo enyika mumashoko angu.
JLB: Wakaziva Patriarch Kirill kwenguva yakareba, kubvira achiri Metropolitan yeSmolensk. Ukama hwenyu naye hwakamira sei? Chii chaungataure nezve mutsara waPapa Francis kuti ndiye mukomana weatari yaPutin? Ndeupi hukama hwako naMetropolitan Hilarion uye mukuru mutsva weDECR Vladika Anthony (Sevryuk) izvozvi? Unoramba uchikurukura navo here?
LS: Ndakaziva Patriarch Kirill kubvira 1995. Ndakatumwa naMetropolitan Alimpiy Gusev, sachigaro weRussian Old Believers Orthodox Church, kunodzidza paMoscow Theological Seminary kuburikidza neMetropolitan Kirill. Panguva imwe cheteyo, Patriarch yakandituma kunodzidza kuRome paGregorian University, ndakaenda ikoko muna 1999 kupfurikidza nenzanga yemamongi muBose, iyo iri kuchamhembe kweItaly. Ndakadzidza muRome nemari yenzanga iyi ndichitungamirirwa nomutungamiriri wayo Enzo Bianchi. Ipapo ndakapfuuridzira fundo dzangu paGeorgetown University muWashington pabhezari rakabva kuAmerican Bradley Foundation. Ndakashanda paGeorgetown University somufundisi, uyewo paWorld Bank. Pandakadzokera kuMoscow muna 2004, ndakanga ndisingadi kushandira Dhipatimendi Rezvekunze reMoscow Patriarchate (DECR). Pachikonzero ichi, takave nekusanzwisisana naMetropolitan Kirill, uyo akabva atungamira chimiro ichi, icho, chinogona kuti, chinoramba chiripo nanhasi (kusanzwisisana). Muna 2009, mushure mekusarudzwa kwaMetropolitan Kirill saPatriarch uye kugadzwa kwaMetropolitan Hilarion (Alfeev) sachigaro weDECR, ndakagadzira uye kutungamira Gregory weTheology Foundation, iyo yakatsigira mabasa eDECR uye kusikwa uye kudzorerwa kwezvivako uye nzvimbo, yeAll-Church postgraduate uye zvidzidzo zvechiremba, pamwe chete nemabasa ayo ezuva nezuva. Nekuda kwekuti ini handina kutsigira kuputika kwechirairo nemakereke echiGreek muna 2018 uye ndakatsamwirawo maitiro asina kukodzera eMoscow Patriarchate kune Old Believers, mari yakamiswa kwatiri, uye ndakasiya nheyo. Muna 2018, iyo chete World Congress yeVatendi Vakare munhoroondo yakaitika, kwandakaratidza pfungwa yeWorld Union. Iyi pfungwa yakabvumidzwa neCongress, uye muna 2019 ndakagadzira sangano re World Union yeVatendi Vakwegura. Kubva ipapo, mukati mehurongwa hwesangano iri, ndave ndichishanda mukudzivirira nekusimudzirwa kweVatendi Vakare vepasi. Ndinobatikanawo zvikuru muRussia pakusimudzira rusununguko rwokunamata kuvanhu vose vomumba. NezveVladyka Anthony (Sevryuk), mukuru mutsva weDECR, ndinomuziva zvakanaka, kubva panguva yaakanga achiri mudzidzi. Handigoni kutaura chinhu chakaipa pamusoro pake. Ndinomuziva chete kubva kudivi repamusoro. Haana kumbondiitira zvakaipa kana kune wandinoziva.
JLB: Sei Papa achida kushanyira Moscow kutanga, uye kwete Kyiv? Wakaedza here kukurukura naye mukana wekutanga kuuya kuKyiv, uye chete ipapo kuendesa chinzvimbo chevakuru veUkraine kuKremlin, uye kwete zvinopesana?
LS: Ndinofunga kuti kuna Papa kurongeka kwekushanya hakuna kukosha kwakakosha: anongoda kubatanidza kushanya kune maviri makuru mukati mehurongwa hwerwendo rumwe. Ndiko, kuenda kuUkraine neRussia, uye kana achipinda muRussia kubva munharaunda yeUkraine kana, zvakasiyana, kuUkraine kubva munharaunda yeRussia, izvi hazvina kukosha kwaari. Zvakakosha kuti kushanya kuviri uku kuve chikamu cherwendo rwese kuitira kusimbisa kuchengetedza runyararo uye hunhu hwehunhu hwerwendo. Ndinofunga kuti maRussia haazogumburwi kana akabhururuka kuRussia kubva kuUkraine.
JLB: Papa anoteerera pfungwa dzako zvakadii? Kunokosha sei kwaari?
LS: Papa anoteerera kune chero maonero. Uye kwaari, mudiki munhu, anonyanya kukosha maonero ake. Izvi ndakazviona kubva pane zvakaitika kwandiri. Maonero angu kwaari, ndine chokwadi cheizvi, hachina kukosha kupfuura maonero evaUkrainian kana avo maBelarusian avo vaanotaurirana navo.
JLB: Boka reUkraine rinoita zvinorwadza kumashoko nezviito zvaPapa, vachitenda kuti ari kuita mukutevera mutemo weKremlin. Papa anoona here njodzi yekurasikirwa neboka reUkraine nekutamba kwake neMoscow?
LS: Nezvekunonzi “kutamba kworudo” kwaPapa, ndinoda kukuyeuchidzai zvakare kuti Pope ari pamusoro peEvhangeri, kwete zvematongerwo enyika. Rangarira kuti vadzidzi vakauya sei kuna Kristu uye vakamuudza kuti vazhinji vakanga vabva kwaAri nokuda kwamashoko Ake asina kururama ezvamatongerwe enyika? Ipapo Kristu akavabvunza akati, “Nemiwo hamudi kundisiya here? Ipapo ndipo apo Petro akapindura kuti vakanga vasina kwokuenda, nokuti ndiye Kristu. Pope vanotaura nezveVhangeri. Uye ndeyemunhu wese, vese maRussia uye maUkraine. Kristu akarembera pamuchinjikwa, uye kurudyi nokuruboshwe rwake makororo. Asi mumwe wavo akati aida kuva naKristu, uye mumwe wacho akati haadi. Heino nyaya yaPope. Papa haakwanise kuenzaniswa naGeorge Washington, hama dzeMaccabee, Prince Vladimir, Monomakh kana King Stanislaus. Pope anogona kuenzaniswa naKristu chete. Uye kubvunza kana maitiro Ake achienderana naKristu kana kwete, kubvunza mubvunzo, Kristu angadai akaitei munzvimbo Yake. Havasi vakagwinya vanoda chiremba, asi vanorwara. Vhangeri rose riri pamusoro pazvo!
JLB: Unobvumirana here nemashoko aPapa ekuti mushakabvu Daria Dugina haana mhosva muhondo? Waiziva here Daria paakanga ari mufundisi weimwe chechi yeRussian Orthodox Church? Zvakaitika sei kuti akazova mumwe wevanoparadzira mashoko ehondo?
LS: Munoziva ndinoda kupindura mashoko aDaria nekutaura kwaGodfather kumufishi uyo akauya kuzokumbira Mwari kuti vauraye matsotsi akabhinya mwanasikana wavo. Mufiri akataura kuti kururamisira kwaizoitwa. The Godfather akabvunza: kwakanaka here kuuraya vasina kuuraya munhu? Kunyange Testamente Yekare yakanga ine mutemo wetit-for-tat. Daria haana kuuraya munhu, haana kutora chikamu muhondo pamberi. Naizvozvo, kufa kwake hakuna kururama. Mupfungwa iyi, haana mhosva akabatwa nehondo. Izvi ndizvo zvakataurwa naPope. Ndaisaziva Daria. Asati afa, vanhu vashoma kwazvo vaimuziva. Akanga asina simba rinokosha padzidziso yeRussia.
